did i want to go to seminary or to law school? and for family reasons, my husband wanted to relocate to connecticut, i wound up in law school rather than in seminary. and was delighted when i discovered that i could do a joint degree with the divinity school at yale and thought i had been trading off one interest against the other and discovered thanks to the availability of interdisciplinary training that i could actually combine my interests. and so i started in around 1982. i'm in my 0th year -- my 30th year of working in this field and find myself still fascinated, still intrigued. and dedicated to thinking deeply about the relationship between law and religion. >> host: where was this picture from on the cover of "the spirit of the law"? >> guest: oh, this is outside the united states supreme court, and it was taken on a day that a challenge to the pledge of allegiance -- not the requirement that students say it, but the insertion of the words "under god" into the pledge of allegiance which happened, actually, in the 1950s in